Luisa Martinez pursues a wide-ranging discussion with immigration lawyer Daniel Kanstroom about the ideology, history and political economy of immigration in the United States. In part one, they take up the political economy of labor migration, the historical antecedents of current US immigration policy and the racialization of immigration enforcement. In part two, which will air on April 28, they take up immigration policy through the lenses of gender, poverty and ideology. They discuss as well the debate on the left over border abolition. Daniel Kanstroom is professor of law at Boston University and has decades of experience with immigration law. He is the author of Deportation Nation: Outsiders in American History and Aftermath: Deportation Law and the New American Diaspora. Luisa Martinez is a member of Portland DSA and the National Political Committee of DSA.